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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:20 pm 
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windhorsesue wrote:
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YES! I have just gone back to the beginning of target training again to set the basics properly, because I"ve come to this conclusion myself. :D
Your vid was very timely for me.


Great! I have a lot of targeting clips of Lucy on Youtube. Here's one from last summer using a target to teach basic ground poles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Vmge5fX-0

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Hi Brenda:

He's so calm! Wow, I'm amazed. And I love the sound he(she) makes when walking (trotting or cantering) on the gravel.

:?: Just a small question: what is the distance between each bar. I would like to have my horse walk over bars but I forget what the correct distance should be between.

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horsefever wrote:
Hi Brenda:

He's so calm! Wow, I'm amazed. And I love the sound he(she) makes when walking (trotting or cantering) on the gravel.

:?: Just a small question: what is the distance between each bar. I would like to have my horse walk over bars but I forget what the correct distance should be between.

Thanks
Jocelyne


It varies, according to the exercise you wish to do with the horse.

Start by measuring the distance, standing square, from the front hooves to the back hooves. That is the distance.

If you wish to have him pay attention to his stride and footing, add half that to the measurement.

If you want to shorten his stride, subtract one forth.

Don't, with a horse not accustomed to poles and cavaletties, work short at first. They can more easily trip.

If he does, add hafe of what you took away.

You can find references to distances here and there in feet or meters, but when they claim a standard distance know that the person isn't thinking.

Horses are not a standard distance between front and rear legs.

Sometimes I'm astounded at the muddled thinking of horse people.

Simon reminded me of it, when he mentioned those British horsey traditions.

If yours hasn't gone over poles you can even start by doubling the stride and making it easier until he gets the idea and is familiar with that kind of obstacle.

Forgive me for intruding, as I know you didn't ask me.

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Donald, that's great information. You don't know.. or maybe you do.. how many different places I've looked for this info, and what I get is numbers that just don't work for the obvious reasons you stated.
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windhorsesue wrote:
Donald, that's great information. You don't know.. or maybe you do.. how many different places I've looked for this info, and what I get is numbers that just don't work for the obvious reasons you stated.
Thanks!


When we say the horse is our teacher this is the very kind of thing I think of.

It's not just what the horse direction communicates to us, but what we learn from the horse as a being.

So many meters from this point to that on the horse, strides that measure x meters, the sounds they make, the smells they give off, coat luster or lack, tension of skin around eyes and mouth, etc.

You can see in on of my pictures my designed and built schooling or open menage area, with the help of the owner of my leased horse training business.

That pick has a single horse and rider in it, and a few poles and lots of barrels.

I used to drag that surface, then have horses, doing various things, imprint it. Then take measurements, and set my jumps, cavaletties, poles, etc. up just for that particular horse to be worked over and around.

Making adjustments according to what I wanted. Much experimentation, (poor horses) :wink: :cry:

I worked on a system conditioning and teaching collection using poles.

Don't do it. It didn't work, as three different horses taught me. But it did make them wonderfully handy over jumps and obstacles cross country.

It might have had some minor effect on collection and condition. Not worth the worry for the horse.

A series of obstacles are, I believe, to artificial and nothing the horse would encounter in the wild. They simply go around that much trash by choice. :lol:

So forcing them over such things creates too high a degree of 'worry,' exhibited in anxiety with figeting -- tail switching, tight eyes, tense lips.

I had my poor horses in a near permanent state of nervous breakdown until I caught on. How relieved they were when I cut the obstacles to just one or two at a time.

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horsefever wrote:
Hi Brenda:

He's so calm! Wow, I'm amazed. And I love the sound he(she) makes when walking (trotting or cantering) on the gravel.

:?: Just a small question: what is the distance between each bar. I would like to have my horse walk over bars but I forget what the correct distance should be between.

Thanks
Jocelyne


Hey Jocelyn! Thanks! This type of target lunging is my 'calm' work, relaxed gaits, head and neck long and low, VS Chase the Tiger, which I want to be more animated and collected and 'up'. Still a work in progress tho.

And YES! the cadence of hooves on the stone dust is very relaxing, eh?

And THANKS Donald for stepping in and answering the distance question cuz I just guess!!!

In the video they were probably too close for trotting so I guess it was a lesson in being careful. I wanted more spring, but could have used more length??

I shaped it VERY slowly, starting with one pole, lots of C/T for careful and effort, and gradually progressed to trotting over 3 or 4 poles. I'll revisit this exercise with Donald's formulas and hopefully get it on tape...soon as spring gets here!!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:15 pm 
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Hi folks!

Kind of quiet here on the video forum so I thought I would post a few fun clips of Lucy playing with her PINK ball, clicker style! Because she has trashed MANY balls before this one, I am trying to stick with clicking NOSE pushes no matter how cute her kicks may be!! Very hard!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Y3jEWZSE4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UWQhqrXoC0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsJLcFiT-lU

Enjoy!

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These are lovely! I never even considered teaching tam to bring the ball back to me...what a wonderful idea!

I have also had a great time this morning catching up on Jack's videos as well. I love the turning around the barrels...and all your giggling! :D


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Wow Lucy has got great ball controll!!! :D And so very well thinking where she wants it to go, WOW!!! :thumleft:

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waw this so cool
how great to watch this
so well done!

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Hi all,

Recall games using treats, buckets, targets, etc. has been a recent topic of discussion (see windhorsesue's diary, maybe others?...can't keep up!!!!).

Here are 2 clips of our first session last month in the pasture. Note the 'so so' energy level of both horses:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I0_gqQE8es

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M90MZ9I498Q

Then these two clips were a few weeks later at liberty on a trail that runs through our property. Both horses really got into the game and the energy was UP! Lucy's session turned into a session on stopping <GRIN>:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7drRCy5oeUo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbocgFN8CV0

And each time we play these games or Tiger games, both horses keep getting better and better, and show me things I never would have imagined possible a few months ago, before starting AND!!!

Thank you to all that make this forum what it is!!!!

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Looks wonderful! She's more obedient than my dog ;)

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Wow - this is just great!

How have you worked with the running towards you?


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Does she have her ears forward or backward when she canters to you? (just wondering)
It looks great :)


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nice video's !
My horse do the same plays with his nose and steering the ball. But he is not as good as your horse :D I have not trained that yet :wink:
I am training now that he can use also his feet.
kind of kicking the ball forwards.
i wanna play soccer with him... :D :D


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