inge wrote:
Josepha wrote:
Where does it say in Die Scala der Ausbilding, that you need a bit???
That is complete news to me!?
And why bother... the FEI is ... how to put this... not 'up to date' and old fashioned like sock holders.
Just start a new international federation...
If the engine is to old and broken to fix, just build a new one. More miles and better for the environment!
Gosh it's time for a new era... really.
sorry i can not explain it good in english but give it a try.
you need a bit otherwise you dont get the right contact and acceptance if i explain it well in english.
aanleuning en nageeflijkheid. They have a sertain point of view about dressage and how it have to be look like, the complete sight of the horse and movement. They said that without a bit you dont get this. the under jaw must be relaxed and it is not relaxed when you ride without a bit. They said.....all these are not mine words.
Attention moderators. Get me now before I lose it completely.
They claim without a bit you do NOT get relaxation but with a bit you DO? Too much. I'm used to working with a population that has just these kinds of "magical thinking," where up is down, down is up, and one can't have a heartbeat without assistance from "experts."
Outrageous.
I'm tempted to say to them, "let me know when you can get TRUE relaxation and tension in balance such as we have." "We might let you JOIN OUR FEDERATION." <snort>
inge wrote:
All i can say that i have a total different point of view about contact and acceptance and the rest. Thats why i wont ride competition. i can not do it as they prefer to see. i see something completly different then they do.
We would never come close.
What you point out, Inge, makes clear that WE are not going to change THEM, and certainly I'm with you, as I suspect most are, WE ARE NOT GOING BACK.
Once I am my horse make the connection through bitless riding it gives me almost real pain to even think of putting a bit in her mouth, let alone actually doing so. I WON'T.
So if I want to compete I have to find like minded people to ride with in competition.
Which logically leads to the next step, finding them, or helping them discover bitless and liberty work, and the cordeo, and asking over demanding, and cooperation over subservience.
inge wrote:
i bother because people over here will compete bitless between the bit horses. To make a statement???
and we wanna help them, so the NVBP try to do something for them and yes it will work, at least they think about it.
and there comes a trial next year, (i hope )somewere in april. People can ride bitless competitions.
Ah, that brings a happy smile to my face.
I have to wonder if there aren't people hiding out where I live who do or would like to do this: bitless riding.
inge wrote:
unfortunateley there are less of people who wanna compete bitless. Most of them who ride bitless have more respect for their horses and wont compete at all. Those are the realy bitless riders, those who wanna compete bitless are mostly....and said again not all ofcourse some are real,.... because they have an injury in the horses mouth and still wanna compete during the healing proces.
For those that "don't want to compete," I suspect they are thinking of competition as it now exists in the orthodox horseworld.
What if the "competition," consisted more of exhibition. That is, each horse showed how well he or she had his or her rider trained to be polite, to accept "no" as an answer, to encourage, to entice, to tempt, even to tease their horse into playing at dressage?
I'm inspired, as I just finished a session with Bonnie, a short one, where after she had her wild time, running down the dirt roads through the deep dark woods, kicking and bucking and sliding and turning, we took a little break then I asked her if she would let me lead her by the halter (she was not ever really haltered until just a few days ago). And what did she do? She said to me, "tease me with a treat and I'll not only go with you, I'll let you tug on the halter first." What a thrill. For me.
Heck, instead of "competitions," let's just have "meetings," "seminars," (in the academic sense where we all share and learn from each other), and guest "lecturers," in the old sense of "university," that came out of Europe during the Age of Enlightenment.
From my point of view "Competition," is dead dead dead. We can go so much further by other means. And gain so much more.
inge wrote:
i know...i know.....no AND thoughts......this is an other world
as soon i have more info, somewere in december it think i will let you know..but then in dutch :-) more easy for me
I won't be able to read it, but that doesn't matter. I know where your heart is and probably a lot of what you'll say.
When the orthodox can take of their horse's bridles and ride with a cord around the horse's neck I'll be more inclined to be more attentive to their boundaries. I think I'll have a long wait, don't you?
Big hugs, Donald