Thank you for help
"Dealing with scared horses sticky"- very informative ( I read about this method in the book about clicker training, and now I could see it by eyes on the movie). Thank you
Good idea for the shy horse
And I was reading about the encouraging politeness sticky some time ago. I do it very similalry, but I called this Art of Seduction
And I would like to say something about these 2 movies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAOtqsp0RSc
and this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phwaiDcxTvQ
and about the girl called Nelly
Please don't be angry at me, my intentions aren't to hurt somebody but I have to say what I think because when I didn't do this I will be have pangs of conscience.
In my opinion Nelly has a lot of positive energy in herself and this energy creates a wonderful relationship with the horse. I see that Nelly easily communicate with the horse, and I see that the horse feels very comfortable in her company and is happy to respond to any suggestions. And, I am sorry, but I need to say that she doesn't nead a treats for horses. But of course she will do what she feels
Nelly has great potential
Some people are born with such a gift, and in my humble opinion Nelly has this gift
Sorry if anyone was offended
Ali, I'm impressed by your contact with your horse, I think that you are soulmates and complement each other.
Last night I was thinking about horse's fear and aggression. As I said before
But sometimes is that, and I am not sure whether this is a fear and this is a desire to escape from fear, maby this is something else which I can't understand. I will tell you, maby you will be know.
When we walking and everything is ok, she is focus on me, on grazing and everywere is calm. And suddenly, and I do not understand the reason, my Pagoda turns her head away from me, pushes me by her shoulder and then she turns her croup to me and begins run, if I hold the line she will kick me, I have to let her go and I haven't choise and then she runs to neighboring horses.
I am not shure that this Pagoda's behaviour is created by fear. That's what she does is aggressive behavior on 100%, but I don't understand the reason. And this is what I had found yesterday:The Four Causes Of Aggression by Marv Walker
1.) Fear. The horse is super afraid. He's like a bully in a school yard. He has no idea how to deal with and react to people so he immediately seeks to put you in your place BEFORE you do anything to him that may make him uncomfortable or harm him. It is a question of doing it to you before you do it to him. When fear bullies are confronted they usually immediately align themselves with the confronter. When bullying doesn't work, they turn into a cajoling buddy..."Hey Buddy, you and I are friends, right? We can handle any troublemakers who come our way, right?"
2.) Disrespect. Occupying your space, punishing you for not doing what they want when they want, paying more attention to some petty distraction than you and a number of other things that make you feel meaningless when you are around the horse. If you are doing something he doesn't like, he can, and often does, bite, or threaten to bite.
3.) Pain. Suppose for a moment that you have a twisted back or neck and every movement sends a spear through you...would you bite if someone crossed your path? Sure.
4.) Mental illness whether caused by hormones or what have you. These horses are exceptionally dangerous because logic doesn't work with them. If a horse is mentally ill, it usually exhibits some additional symptoms as well such as irrationality, inconsistency or total unpredictability.
I am considering about disrespect or mental illnes caused by hormons. I lean more to disrespect. I do not think she feels fear at this point, frightened Pagoda behaves differently.
What I think about mental illnes I think about estrus (when she wants to have a baby), my Princess has this from few days and this is not the same horse
This girl is full of life, but from few days she is very very malicious, she is so resentful on everything. Poor girl.
Ali, you given me wonderful examples for shy horses. Thank you.
I am very interesting how to foolow with horses which have very big ego and they are very self-confident.
I would like to show you something about Hempfling (sorry that I show you him again, but here are good examples of shy horse and self-confident horse and different ways of handling them).
(when I watch at this one I see my Princess 2 years ago and It makes me still mixed feelings)
I am very curious of your opinion if the case of a horse with a big ego and very self-confident horse is enough to use methods only like for shy horse or is important to establish clear boundaries.
And next one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN7J5Tk2JEw
(I think that this horse's behaviour will be not changed for better if this girl will use bodylangueage standing near him, it will be not enough and it can be very dangerous for this girl. I think that if she will use encouraging politeness (Art of Seduction) in this moment it could be fatal, what do you think?)
Here are more examples of aggressive behavior not caused by fear.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBY5q2IRu3M
- the true meaning of spanish walk and when horses use it.
With A. Nevzorov:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luxRCK1LNh0
in 15 second in this vidio (horse does not respect Nevzorov personal space, of course Nevzorov does not protest), in 30 second in this vidio, and in 40 second of this vidio to 54 second (I will not comment for obvious reasons)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BIdIcKahfU
- 1 minute 19 second
I would like to hear your opinion if this big ego and so big self-confidence in horse makes that he is more happy in domesticated environment ? I think on this for many years, every day...What do you think? Is this important for domesticated horse?