Miriam said:
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Even the king of these statements himself, Alexander Nevzorov, has quite to very uncollected moments in his videos when he is riding his horses. Just as that you should never lunge your horse uncollected. In one of his movies you will see him talking to the camera while Lipisina is being lunged in a very uncollected trot by Lydia. I think a horse will only more really collected for a maximum of 2-5 minutes on end and have frequent uncollected stretching down pauses in between – that’s also part of the process of learning to deal with the weight of a human, something that you can never prepare him totally for from the ground.
So if you ride your advanced horse naturally collected at liberty for five minutes, he will still have more and less collected moments. And if you ride a green horse in natural liberty, then he will probably shift between collected-uncollected every minute. And of course a piaffe is more collected than a collected trot. And if you can only ride a collected horse – does that mean that you can only ride collected exercises also? So where does that lead the extended trot, or the regular canter versus the collected canter?
You have a lot of good poins here, Miriam. I haven't seen the bit where Lydia is lungeing Lipisina, but I have seen the rather uncollected moments of Alexander's riding too. What I think is that one cannot ride 100% collected all the time - as you say, collection is a thing of fluctuation. I think that it would be good with a mix of riding upward and quite collected, and then letting the horse's head and neck drop and go in a low position which gives him the opportunity to relax his muscles and stretch while still carrying the rider's weight in a non-harming way. In addition to that, I kind of likes Alexander's "strict" rule of only riding a horse whenever an element can be made better through the riding. However, of course a moment of uncollected canter to stretch the legs and get some wind in your hair can't really hurt..
As long as the horse is okay with it.
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A question back in return, because I’m always curious about how people have found our site: how did you find us? From your first post you seemed to have a somewhat negative idea about what this site would be – why did you feel like that, or how did you get that idea?
It’s not meant as criticism, I’m just really interested in how outsiders view our forum. The intriguing thing for me about our forum is that traditional NH trainers seem to think we’re total softies who have completely out of control, dominant horses because we don’t use pressure and corrections – while I got the idea that NHE’ers generally have the idea that over here we’re all controlfreaks who only go for results and not for a real relationship, simply because we publish the methods with how we train our horses on the site instead of keeping them secret. So what on earth are we???
Well, as I have mentioned (somewhere
), after rereading my initial post, I kind of worried that it seemed a bit negative. That was not at all my intent!
Actually, I was invited by a good friend of mine, Isabelle Stüber. She is now an inactive member of the Academia because the Academia doesn't support the use of treats (not like she was banned of anything, it's always people's own choice not to participate). So she invited me over here, and I decided to check it out.
At first, I was kind of afraid that coming here would be kind of taking a step backwards, if you get me. Not because regarding to HE and all that, but when it came to "purity" of philosophy and focus and such. I remember reading a topic subtitle - "How we keep our horses affects our training" - or something similar. This had me thinking that it sounded like training first, horse second. Just little things like that that had me thinking. However, I think all these prejudices have mostly vanished..
Your forum is great, and the philosophies are very similar to those in the Academia and NHE. (By the way - yes, I call people from the Academia Academians or Libertans (since it's called Academia Liberti). It's just because we really have no name, do we? People from NHE are NHE-ers and people from AND are (correct me if I'm wrong) AND-ers, and then there are the... Acamedia-ers?? Just didn't work.
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Anne
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