Glen Grobler wrote:
Josepha, what a fantastic answer with so much information! I've copied it onto my desktop so I can read it before every time I go to Freckles!
Wow...
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What I was trying to say was not that you must order me, but that I need you to guide me to "correct" my thinking.
Yes but still... who are we to tell you what is correct and what is not? Eben with all experience in the world, one could be wrong in your specific case... The only thing we can do is share our experiences and you than can try out what appeals to you and see what works for you and your horse
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With another person I would use English and I would know easily if they heard me and what was their answer.
Human speach is so overrated in my view.
Imagine this: what if a child was abused all her life by adults. Would telling her: 'I am not going to hurt you, you can trust me', make her trust you instantly?
It is not about what one says, it is about getting to know what one does...
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The only "conversation" I have had with horses so far is "wear this" and "do this" or "do that."
So that is what he has come to expect of you. And even if he spoke english better than an english professor, telling him that things are going to be different would not make him believe it instantly, would it?
He would probably say: 'we shall see'.
And he will... won't he?
However, horses seem far more clever than humans in this sort of thing. As soon as you have a change of heart, he will notice.
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so my question really was "I don't actually understand yet if he is hearing me or answering me - what can I look for?"
Look for change in his behaviour towards you which then shows that he has noticed change in your behaviour.
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Fantastic! Where can I find a recipe? I am using "Buzz Off" which is a veterinary product for keeping flies off horses. It is made by HealthTechLabs.
that does not sound very natural, having the word 'lab' in it
And I am not at all sure that this product is against animal testing. But to be quite honest, I do not know it so i can not judge it.
Since it seems very important to buzz off flies where you are and if it really works satisfactually, well then it would be prudent to continue using it.
Having said that, better check the ingredients for it is also prudent to keep your horses' immune system up as high as possible and certain chemicals keep the flies away, but attack the immunesysteem of the horse to soften it up for those flies that do come through (logic of regular vetarinarian treathemnnet...
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The recipe I use is a base of for instance herbal tea, lavender water or rosewater in which you add 15 drops of the following essentiel oils:
lemon, teatree, eucalyptus, lavender, (And I wish I knew what it was called in english or even if you have this flower over there...) Geranium.
Because Jamie likes it I ad 15 drops of orange as well. shake well before your spray or whipe on.
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Haha, I liked that answer! I meant how do I "project" what I am trying to do WITHOUT BEING "IN HIS FACE" so he can start to understand? I don't know why but I get the feeling he believes he must be only docile around people, that he "may not" express.
That probably is so, because that is what he has learned and has come to expect from people.
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I ask because I think there is little or no "dialogue" at the moment - it is only one-way!
So ask for nothing and reward any initiative he takes towards you.
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He responds when I touch, or talk, or move, but he does not yet initiate - that is what I wish to promote.
And that is what AND is all about. So, first you must silence all your noise and all back noise so you can here your horse speak
Seems to me your are already in the right path to achive what you desire.
What could work to inspire initiative from his side is a trick I saw Klaus Ferdinand Hempfling let one of his students do.
She played with a bal while alone with her horse in a paddock. She was absorb in the ball and acted as though her horses was not there.
After a while, the horse became very interested in the ball and in her and they started to play together
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Yes, exactly! So I need things to read to get that advantage and what I have found so far is many times contradicting each other. I need you to tell me what is truth and what is misunderstandings. Please.
Again I can not, for I am not the one who is native to the language. Western people who learn chinese will have the same problem, having different opinions on what an expression could mean for they have had different experiences to go with those expressions in the native country.
Only native chinese can give the right answer.
Second, I would have to stand next to you and your horse in order to translate with whatever knowledge I already have. It is impossible to translate your horses language without seeing it and especially if the one who brings the language does not understand it themselves.
How are you to write here what chinese people
say so people who speak chinese can translate, when you do not know the language? It is impossible.
When you see a contradiction here; just look ar your horse when you come across it and see what it means to you.
The first answer that comes up is ussually the right one
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This is very clarifying and very helpful indeed!
I'm not worried so much as in a a hurry to change my bad!
Who is to decide what is bad?
Well in our case the horse
But if you let him decide from now on, all the bad has gone right then and there
You can not go wrong anymore, you can only learn.
But let me assure you this: Once your horse has found out that he can express himself with you, express himself he shall!
And if you do not hear his whispering, then he shall rais his voice untill you understand.
Easy enough
Warm regards,
Josepha